Hans Niemann vs. the Modern Chess Mafia: “I’m Not a Victim—I’m a Fighter”

When Hans Niemann sat down with ChessBase India in the quiet luxury of Weissenhaus during the Freestyle Chess G.O.A.T. Challenge, few expected the storm that would follow. But as the American grandmaster began to speak—calmly, but with unmistakable fire—it became clear this wasn’t just another chess interview.

This was Hans Niemann, unfiltered. And the target of his ire? The “modern chess mafia.”

“If Fischer could overcome the Soviet chess mafia, I can overcome the modern chess mafia.”

It’s the kind of line that will be remembered—audacious, defiant, and loaded with meaning. When interviewer Sagar Shah mentioned that Niemann’s quote about Bobby Fischer had gone viral, Hans didn’t flinch.

“Yes. Because it’s true,” he said flatly.

To Niemann, the modern chess mafia isn’t some shadowy conspiracy. It’s Magnus Carlsen, Hikaru Nakamura, and the powerful chess establishment he believes has sidelined him ever since the cheating accusations of 2022.

The Aftermath of the Cheating Scandal

Let’s rewind. In September 2022, Magnus Carlsen abruptly withdrew from the Sinquefield Cup after losing to Niemann. The fallout was nuclear. Carlsen posted cryptic tweets. Hikaru Nakamura fanned the flames online. Chess.com published an investigative report alleging Niemann had cheated more extensively online than previously admitted.

Although Niemann admitted to cheating in online games when he was younger—and never in over-the-board games—his name became radioactive. Tournaments stopped inviting him. Top players distanced themselves. Even when legal battles settled, the court of public opinion remained divided.

But Niemann didn’t disappear.

He trained harder. He launched Endgame AI, a new chess platform. And most recently, he shocked many by making it to the final of the Freestyle Chess Grand Slam in Las Vegas, outlasting even Carlsen and Nakamura in the group stage.

A Man Rebuilding

“There’s this perception that I’m this, like, arrogant villain,” Niemann told Shah. “But the way I view myself is: I’m someone who’s been through a lot, but I fight.”

And fight he has. In the interview, Niemann spoke about how tournament doors in the U.S. remain closed to him—even events that are supposed to be about inclusion.

“I would love to play the U.S. Championship, but I’m not invited,” he said. “They don’t even consider it… It’s like they’ve erased me from the history of American chess.”

His tone wasn’t bitter—just tired. Tired of the narrative. Tired of the suspicion. Tired of being defined by one moment.

“I’m not here to convince people,” he added. “I’m here to show it with results. With my play. With my actions.”

The Fischer Parallel

It’s no coincidence that Niemann keeps coming back to Bobby Fischer.

Fischer, too, was a brilliant outsider who clashed with the establishment. He faced off against what he saw as a corrupt Soviet system. Niemann sees himself in that fight—but against a new kind of power: the online era of elite chess, dominated by Carlsen, Nakamura, and corporate-backed platforms.

“Fischer fought the Soviet chess mafia,” Niemann says. “Now I’m fighting the modern version of that.”

But where Fischer descended into isolation, Niemann is embracing innovation. Endgame AI, his new platform, aims to bring machine learning and interactive analysis to the masses. “It’s not just another chess site,” he says. “It’s a long-term vision for how chess learning can evolve.”

On Freestyle Chess and the Joy of Reinvention

Perhaps the most unexpected aspect of the interview was how much joy Niemann found in the Freestyle Chess format—the Fischer Random variant used at the G.O.A.T. Challenge.

“This format is about pure chess,” he said. “You can’t memorize 25 moves and bluff your way through. You have to think. You have to be creative.”

He claimed to have played six hours of freestyle chess a day in preparation. “I wasn’t just practicing lines. I was getting lost in the game again. Feeling that excitement.”

It was a reminder that beyond the drama, the lawsuits, and the headlines, Niemann is still that kid who loves chess—obsessively, painfully, beautifully.

Not a Victim—A Fighter

If you were looking for apologies or self-pity, this interview wasn’t it.

“I’m not a victim,” Niemann said. “I don’t want sympathy. I want to prove myself.”

He knows that many in the chess world still doubt him. That some won’t forgive. That others will always associate him with controversy. But to Hans, none of that matters anymore.

What matters is the board. The grind. The future.

And as he ended the interview, he left with a quiet confidence: “People can say what they want. But they’re going to have to watch me win.”

Full interview

ChessBase India:
Hans, thank you for being here. You’re playing in your first freestyle event. But what was very nice for me to see the other day was you having a wonderful time with all the top GMs, and we actually recorded a couple of videos.

Hans Niemann:
Yeah, I saw. I saw.

ChessBase India:
And people loved it. The comments were filled with, like, “We’re so happy to see Hans there with everyone.”

Hans Niemann:
Yeah, no, the position I showed was quite cool. It was actually from a training game that I played and it looks like a study. So I guess to have it in a game was quite unique.

Yeah, no, it’s been a while since I’ve been at a top tournament with all the players. Since Sinquefield Cup, there hasn’t been a tournament — like three years. So I guess the U.S. Championship is the only place where I would interact. But this is a far more social tournament than others. Like, everyone is so stressed at a classical tournament. They don’t want to speak to anyone.

For example, before this tournament, I played training games with some participants — and I would never do that for a classical tournament because then I’d be exposing my openings. But here it’s a lot more chill.

ChessBase India:
In general, you’ve become stronger and stronger in the last few months. Like, seeing you take on people like Anish, for example. There were some series of classical events that you played which you won. And now you’re playing these online events on Endgame.AI.

Hans Niemann:
Yes. Yes.

ChessBase India:
Maybe you’ll play a match on there one day.

Hans Niemann:
I might play there. But in general, I am getting stronger as a chess player, which is very interesting for everyone to see — because the way you’re doing things, one could imagine, “Okay, he’s trying to promote his platform,” like you had GMHunts.com and so on — but you’re also becoming stronger as a player.

Hans Niemann:
Yeah. It’s hard to balance everything. But at least with freestyle, the only training that I think is productive is just playing. I enjoy playing. I could play freestyle 8 hours a day, 10 hours a day, and I wouldn’t feel tired. I would enjoy it.

Also, having my own company — and having, let’s say, financial support and investment — it gives me the resources to support my career in a way that I couldn’t before.

So obviously with my initial matches against Anish, Vitiugov, and Bacrot — this was an incredibly expensive thing to do. Before then, I struggled to find opportunities to gain classical rating because I would play the open circuit, and in the open tournaments, it’s hard for me to see if I’m improving, because I’m only playing against 2500s. It’s a much different experience than playing top players.

Of course, those matches gave me so much confidence. Beating Anish, Vitiugov, and Bacrot — all very dominantly.

Before those matches, I did well in these Czech tournaments. I gained maybe 60 points. But since then, I haven’t really played much chess. Since those matches, which finished last August, I’ve only played two tournaments in the past year.

So I think I’ve been improving a lot, but my classical rating hasn’t reflected that yet. Although in blitz, I’ve been having great results — like Titled Tuesday or these types of things.

Usually, my improvement comes in large spurts. Like, I went from 2500 to 2700 in record time. So I suppose now, for the rest of the year, there are a lot of great opportunities — there’s this, there’s the Esports World Cup, there’s the Grand Swiss. So I think with these opportunities, I’ll be able to show my best and show the hard work materializing.

ChessBase India:
Do you think there’s something you did that has made you stronger? Like maybe working with Kramnik? Is it work?

Hans Niemann:
I think the main thing is that, if you look at right after the Sinquefield Cup, it was quite difficult mentally to continue playing chess at a high level.

At that stage, I had a coach I was working with, who I stopped working with — not for bad reasons — but he was working with another top player.

ChessBase India:
Is it not public?

Hans Niemann:
No. I was working with — so during Sinquefield Cup, my coach was actually Rustam Kasimdzhanov. And it’s quite funny that the whole line that I prepared was actually Rustam reminding me to check it.

So it’s funny how people, let’s say, speculated, “How could I predict this line?” The reason was that, at the time, I was playing …Bb4+ against the Catalan. And there’s a message that I’ve showed people — and I showed in the Netflix documentary — that he said to check some weird Catalans. And in my …Bb4+ file in the Catalan, it transposes to what happened in the game.

In the interview, I didn’t want to say that I’m going to play this in the Catalan. Anyways…

Also, there were no tournaments for me to play. I used to play a lot in America, and I haven’t received a single invitation to an American tournament since Sinquefield Cup. So of course, I was working hard, I was improving — but not having opportunities affected me poorly mentally. And then also affected the chess. So it was kind of…

Now, with opportunities, and actually being able to play players, there’s more motivation. I can work harder.

So I think it’s more of a… Of course I’m working incredibly hard, and I’m very dedicated to the game — but you can’t really show your strength without an opponent to play.

ChessBase India:
And as you’re shaping up to be one of the top players, you also started Endgame.AI — I think before that, you had GMHunts. What is your vision — short-term or long-term — for your chess career, and also for something like Endgame.AI? Your entrepreneurial journey?

Hans Niemann:
Yeah. Listen, we raised a lot of money from top venture capitalists. Some — most — are coming here.

ChessBase India:
Really?

Hans Niemann:
Yes. Yes.

We haven’t announced the exact figure that we raised. In fact, Endgame.AI is something that’s not announced well enough. You know, the thing is, everyone knows I’m playing — no one knows that I’m the one who started it.

The main thing is, we really want to make sure the product is in a really good place before we do a real marketing push. We’ve started releasing different features — even features we haven’t released yet — that I think are completely new to the chess world. But for me, it’s very important to have a really good product.

I haven’t even announced how much money we raised. Usually, when you raise funds, you do a whole announcement — and that helps you hire. We already have a team of maybe 10 people full-time.

We’re still refining the product. I’m very happy with the play zone — the speed of our play zone, the tech is very fast. All the players — like Vidit, Anish, Nihal — they all played this. They had a very good experience, at least on the speed of the play zone.

We saw people like Chess24 try — or Trello — and the playing experience was very slow.

We’re going to start recruiting and bringing on streamers and promoting it better. But to me, I wanted to make sure the product was very good before we did a full push.

It’s still very early. The company was founded at the end of last year, or maybe beginning of this year. We’ve already been very fast to create a play zone and to build the technology behind it — we’ve been incredibly quick.

But for me, this business side is more to insulate myself — and to give myself the resources to play.

I also, of course, think we intend to have a lot of prize money for tournaments. The plan is to have at least $30,000 a month distributed in prize money. We want to have a tournament with $1,000 prize every single day of the month — or maybe six days of the week.

We’re rolling that out after this tournament.

We have a lot of resources. And for me, it’s important that if chess players have multiple options of platforms, it will incentivize other platforms to pay more to the players.

For example, right now there’s only one platform providing an ecosystem for players to make money. If you go back to the Fischer days — before Fischer became World Champion — the Soviet players were playing for $5,000. Once you introduce a more competitive environment, you force platforms to actually pay players a competitive rate.

It’s important that investors are especially passionate about chess. The game of chess has a unique history and culture that a typical video game doesn’t have. Chess has meaning and significance beyond 64 squares.

I believe every single person in the world should learn chess. It has amazing educational benefits.

That’s one part of it. But obviously, I really believe in the mission of making chess fair — and giving opportunities for talented players to rise up. Because there are so many financial issues with players. So many talents go to waste.

Like I just saw that some place in India is giving stipends to the top players — that’s such an amazing initiative. I would hope that America takes suit. India is really a model for how to nurture talent.

I think other countries should take note. And a company like mine can also participate in that process.

But of course, my number one priority is to be the best player in the world. And I don’t really think this distracts from it, because it also gives me more confidence and security.

If you look at the past three years — I haven’t really made much money. I haven’t played tournaments. It’s nice to have some support — whether financial or from my team — because when you kind of feel ostracized, it affects your confidence, affects your mood.

So of course, many people say, “How are you going to be CEO of a company and be the number one player in the world?” But we have a great team.

ChessBase India:
So this is something that I am totally like—because I’ve partly done both, not at your level. I run a company and I was also playing chess. And at some point it became impossible and I had to shift everything, and I stopped playing. So that’s why it blows my mind… and you’re also improving.

Hans Niemann:
Yeah. No, we have an amazing team. I think all the people on our team love chess, so they’re extremely motivated. I don’t have to tell them to work hard.

We have people who help with some of the operations. I just hired a Chief of Staff to help, because while I’m competing—of course I can’t [run everything myself].

But I think my best job for the company is to win and to promote the platform. That’s really the most unique thing that I can provide.

And of course, I don’t know—I guess there are people like Elon who run eight companies, you know, who are a bit bigger than mine. So I think it’s possible.

And for me—I believe in the mission. I love it. And at least the investors are very eager to come into chess.

The way it actually happened was quite spontaneous. I had some friends who also founded companies, mainly in the AI space. I was telling them I want to organize these tournaments. I even went—I had some meetings with some billionaires. I said I want to sell a future percentage of my prize money in exchange for money, because I really wanted to arrange these matches. I just wanted to play chess.

So how do I get a lot of money to hold these matches? I thought, okay—let me sell, let’s say for $500,000, 15% of my prize money over the next five years.

ChessBase India:
You did this?

Hans Niemann:
No, I didn’t. It was an idea. But these are some out-of-the-box ideas.

ChessBase India:
I never thought of this!

Hans Niemann:
Yeah. So this was my idea. Then I pitched it to a very, very wealthy person and they said, “Well, okay, I’ll do it. Send me a proposal.” And I thought, “You know, I should have asked for more.” This was a multi-billionaire!

So then I spoke to some friends, I made a proposal, and I realized—wait, this is actually an amazing idea. Then I spoke to some investors who were quite eager, and then Endgame was formed.

So yeah, being a CEO—and even all the investors said to me, “How are you going to balance it?” I said, “Well, you should read about me. You should ask yourself if I ever accept defeat.”

For me, I’m very passionate about it. And I think, in terms of a commercial platform, after the Play Magnus acquisition, there’s no alternative that’s really hosting prize money, providing the ecosystem.

And in our first tournament, we had 1,000 players.

ChessBase India:
I saw that! And I just could not believe that everything ran!

Hans Niemann:
No, no. Our tech is very good. You know, most other platforms took years to be able to handle that many players. And creating a play zone—if you play on our play zone, everyone says it’s similar to chess.com because it’s fast and not slow.

People say our code is completely original. We don’t even have a single line of open-source code. It was completely made from scratch.

But the speed—like if you play bullet—you’ll feel a huge difference compared to chess.com, for example.

Read More: Hans Niemann’s Playing Style: Unstable Genius, Relentless Pressure

ChessBase India:
But Hans, where do you sort of compare yourself with, let’s say, Gukesh (who is the world champion now), or Abhimanyu, and Vincent (Keymer) who are here right now? They’re in almost the same age group as you, you know?

Hans Niemann:
Yeah, well, it’s funny that people might not remember—but I was actually the first to 2700 before all of them.

I was actually, at one point, number two junior in the world behind Firouzja. So I reached 2700 before every single person.

When I played Sinquefield Cup, I was number two junior in the world. And then everything happened—and I sort of lost two years of my chess career.

So if you look at my development, I’ve had a much different experience than someone like Gukesh.

From until the age of 17, I didn’t really play abroad. As soon as I finished high school—if you want to consider the years that I’ve played chess seriously—it would be from 17 to 21. Or even 17 to 20. And then 21–22 were two years that I had to really develop, where I had real tournaments.

And then the last two years, I’ve sort of… so I don’t feel like I’m inferior to them or that they’re much better than me.

They, of course, have had… they’ve been groomed from a very young age. They’ve had many opportunities. They’ve had a much more classical chess upbringing in childhood and career.

But I don’t really see—so long as I can reintegrate into top-level chess and play the top tournaments—I don’t see why I shouldn’t be at their level, or better.

Although the past few years have been a—let’s say—impediment, a minor hindrance to the development of my chess career, the mental fortitude I’ve acquired, I think, will be an advantage later on.

Because I genuinely believe that there’s no amount of stress that I can experience that will be worse than what I already experienced.

ChessBase India:
You’re talking about this mental power. I’ve always seen you driven. I’ve always seen you be pretty super confident—not just in chess, but also in your other ventures. Where does this confidence and super strong drive in chess come from?

Hans Niemann:
I don’t know. I think I come from a very competitive family. So from a young age I was competing in many different sports.

I think confidence just comes from an urge to win. And a symptom of that urge is an innate belief in oneself.

But I’ve also sort of prophesized my success so many times.

I found this old video—from when I was like 2460 back in 2020—and I got maybe top 8 in Titled Tuesday. I was giving this speech:
“You guys might not believe in me now, but there’s going to be a day when I beat Magnus, when I beat Hikaru, when I beat Duda… and I’m going to be number one in the world on chess.com blitz.”

Back then I was a 2460 International Master. Who could have imagined? At 17 I became a Grandmaster, and Gukesh and these guys were also Grandmasters—but I believed.

And I became number one, even in freestyle and blitz, multiple times.

So once you prophesy that, you sort of start to believe anything.

I was telling people when I was 2480, “Give me one year—2600.” Then I said, “Okay, next year—2700.” And they would look at me: “Oh, you’re such an arrogant guy.” And then it would happen.

So I would say—when I prophesy things—I’m not trying to be melodramatic. I’ve been saying far more extreme prophecies for a longer time. Like, imagine you’re 2460 and you say, “I’m going to be number one in the world.”

Tell me one International Master at 17 who became a top 10 player. There are none.

ChessBase India:
And how would it feel for you to take on, let’s say, Magnus here? Or Hikaru? Does that put a lot of pressure on you? Because I saw you in New York when you were facing Magnus—it was an insanely stressful match, those four games.

Hans Niemann:
Yeah. No, it was very close. It was very close.

ChessBase India:
I mean, you could’ve won!

Hans Niemann:
Yeah. No, for me—honestly, I think more pressure is on them. Because they have much more to lose than me.

I’m 22 years old. I’ll have 10 chances against them, right? If I lose to them—it’s not something to be embarrassed about. They’re great players.

But for them, if they lose—considering the history—it would be quite devastating.

So I think they feel more pressure.

Even recently, my results against Hikaru and Magnus online have been very good. I think against Hikaru this year, I’m 5.5–1.5. And all the wins I had were decisive—to win the tournament.

So Hikaru—I’m outperforming. I beat Magnus back to back. Even Alireza—I’m 3-0 in the last games.

So I don’t feel the same nerves I used to feel against the top guys. I guess having opportunities to play them in blitz online helps you acclimatize to their level, and to the potential stress that could accrue throughout the game.

But no—I think they have much more to lose.

Like, I would say they’re stressed. Because even—you saw in my rapid game against Hikaru—he was completely winning, but he blundered. So I’ve been tricking him a lot. That’s a sign of stress.

ChessBase India:
Do you take freestyle seriously, or do you take this event as if it’s just for fun—not super important?

Hans Niemann:
Absolutely. I’ve been preparing. I think I prepared the most out of any player. I’ve been playing like six hours of freestyle chess every day for the past two weeks—only freestyle. I haven’t touched… I haven’t opened ChessBase in two weeks. I haven’t opened normal ChessBase since the qualifier. I’m not even looking at normal chess—just playing, like, training games.

ChessBase India:
But one time you wanted to become the world champion, best player in the world, and now this—don’t you think freestyle is kind of unknown?

Hans Niemann:
Honestly, I think the practical skills from freestyle are tremendously helpful.

I think any sort of… also, once you get to the time trouble phase or once the game continues, it’s a normal game. It’s a fighting game, right? Okay, you don’t have the same parameters to prevent blunders or to sort of guide your play, but it’s still the same fighting spirit and the same sort of principles that will lead to success.

I also think freestyle is the future of chess.

ChessBase India:
You feel that?

Hans Niemann:
Yeah. I enjoy it much more. I believe that… of course, logistics are quite an issue with chess, so you can’t have the dream format. But my ideal format would be the matches that I played against Anish.

I think chess needs to centralize the tournaments and the titles. Instead of having all these different tours and things, it should be one tour. And I think we should have a knockout, where we play—ideally—blitz, rapid, and classical. Classical can have its place.

But if you want chess to reach a large audience and to truly receive the respect it deserves from the international masses, there are some pure sacrifices that you must make in the eyes of the chess purist.

But I enjoy it so much more. I really—I have so much more fun. When I sit for classical chess, I don’t enjoy that much. Like if I’m going to an open tournament, I’m playing classical, I’m dreading every game.

ChessBase India:
Because of the prep?

Hans Niemann:
Well, I’m Black against a 2400. Where do I play in the opening? How do I avoid prep? It’s just—it’s a nightmare.

ChessBase India:
I want to do something interesting with you. I have something prepared. But before we get to it, if I may ask you—we were there in Paris waiting for you to arrive, and then you didn’t turn up. It was actually quite a big surprise to us, and then it never came out why you did not come. Is there something that you could share about it?

Hans Niemann:
Yeah, I can say what I said to the organizers. You know, one thing is—it had nothing to do with the organization. I have a good relationship with the organization.

And of course, these comments that I was told about new anti-cheating—that was not true. This story that the Norwegians posted—that they said they saw messages I received about anti-cheating, and right after that I withdrew—that’s just defamatory. It’s verifiably false. There are no messages of the sort.

But I withdrew for personal reasons, which I don’t want to share. I really wanted to play. I was really looking forward to it. But I couldn’t make it.

Now, it’s important that I focus on this tournament and show my best chess.

ChessBase India:
Yeah, we’re excited actually with you coming in and playing. Hopefully, you’ll finish in the top four and then make it to the…

Hans Niemann:
No, my group is a bit better than the last one. The initial seeding of the groups was… every single player in my group was complaining.

Because some of the freestyle ratings still need time to reflect real strength. So now, it’s a bit more fair.

Like, my group of four was such a nightmare. I think it had all top-10 players. It was like Fabi, Hikaru, Arjun, Pragg,… Like, where’s the balance?

And now they switched—and my group has, okay, Robson, Sevian, and Dominguez. So now, it’s more of a reasonable task.

Because it’s only seven games. It’s not like we’re playing thirteen games like before. It’s a huge deal—seven games. Anything can happen. You know, it’s one day. And that’s…

ChessBase India:
It’s one day—seven games—you play one…

Hans Niemann:
It’s super, super high variance. But that’s why I prepared so much—hopefully.

ChessBase India:
Yeah, we have some Fischer positions actually. The idea is that—you’ve spoken—and I’ve heard that you studied Fischer’s games deeply. I think you are also inspired by his life story?

Hans Niemann:
Of course. We had a very similar life story.

I was living alone from 16. And there are many similarities—without going too much into my personal life—we had many similarities in early childhood.

So to me, the moment I started to believe that I could come back from what happened was when I read his books. And I realized that if he can overcome the Soviet chess mafia, then I can do the same with the modern chess mafia.

ChessBase India:
Do you not feel a bit tense about what happened with Fischer in terms of his non-chess part—where he got kind of obsessed with things and so on?

Hans Niemann:
Yeah, I think it’s…

ChessBase India:
Does that impact you somewhere—because somewhere, you look up to him?

Hans Niemann:
I think that… you know, for me, I personally don’t think that he should have been a fugitive for playing chess, like what happened to him.

Okay, uh, if you look at—we—it should be—this is a nuanced discussion, so it should be precise.

His arrest in Japan was inhumane. He should not have been arrested. And the way he was—the way that the entire process of how they arrested him in Japan—was against… violated all human rights.

To arrest someone on a revoked passport, you have to notify them of revoking it. They notified him of the revocation of his passport in a way that he would never receive—they sent it to the American embassy in the Philippines.

Then when they arrested him, he almost was killed. The jail he was in… was like… he was—okay. And then he couldn’t go to his mother or his sister’s funeral because he’s a fugitive to his own country.

So, okay, you can understand how someone can go crazy when their own country betrays them, and they can’t go to their mother’s or sister’s funeral because their own country…

Like, you know, he played a chess game. He’s not a—you know… when Fischer beat Spassky, he won the ideological Cold War against Russia. He was an American hero.

You know, Henry Kissinger called him before the match. Like, how… how are we going from treating someone who should be treated—who should be like a hero, an example to Americans to thrive up to—how do we go from that to arresting them, and almost killing them in jail?

The jail he was in was near… like, the nuclear [plant]… it was completely inhumane, you know, conditions.

So, you know, people say, “Okay, Fischer was crazy,” all this stuff, but like… he was also a victim of his own country turning its back on him, you know?

So, at least to me, it’s a sad story all around. And we shouldn’t let his personal views distract from the amazing legacy that he left.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right? It’s not—you should not go to jail. You know, America is a beacon of free speech, right? Like, no matter what you say, you should not be a fugitive. Right?

So that’s, for me, a principle—regardless of whether what was said is factually true or not, or an opinion, right?

Like, I don’t know, some countries—you get arrested for speaking. Like, I think that’s a violation of human rights.

ChessBase India:
Well Hans, thank you for being here, for—you know—discussing many different things. These positions of Fischer, and also talking to us. And we wish you good luck for the event.

Next time, we’ll do a personal, like, a childhood quiz—and I will show my talents.

Hans Niemann:
Never mind. Okay.

You can watch the full interview here: